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  1. Ray Ajao says:

    Pastor Jones jailed for telling members to tithe 10% of their incomes.

    Courtroom exchanges between a Judge of the Law and Pastor Jones.

    The truth about tithing
    (unknown author)

    Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income as per the LAW to your Regd. organization (called Church) and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn’t tithe God would curse them.
    How do you plead?

    Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor,
    I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold.

    Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold?

    Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that’s what I just told you.

    Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham’s tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn’t he?

    Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right.

    Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek?

    Mr. Jones: No.

    Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek?

    Mr. Jones: Well, just once.

    Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week?

    Mr. Jones: No it does not.

    Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek?

    Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war?

    Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war?

    Mr. Jones: Yes that’s what the Bible says.

    Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe?

    Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate.

    Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else?

    Mr. Jones: I guess not

    Judge: You guess not, you are a teacher and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone?

    Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen.

    Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek?

    Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder?

    Judge: So plunder could be any number of things?

    Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose

    Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people’s possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct?

    Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money

    Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones?

    Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people.

    Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all?

    Mr. Jones: That is right.

    Judge: I only have one last question for you Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek?

    Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily.

    Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local Regd.Organization-church?
    Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain.

    Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example.

    Judge: Let’s see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones.

    Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, “If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father’s house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God’s house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you.”

    Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs example, is that right Mr. Jones?

    Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too.

    Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob’s example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right?

    Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant.

    Judge: What did you mean then?

    Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also.

    Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time.

    Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow.

    Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place.

    Mr. Jones: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe.

    Judge: You have not said anything yet to convince me one little bit that people are obligated to tithe money to the local organizational institutions -churches and that you were justified in what you were doing. You have taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence.

    Mr. Jones: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. So you see your Honor, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us.

    Judge: Answer me this Mr Jones, Who was God Speaking to here?

    Mr Jones: To the People of Israel

    Judge: Can you please read Malachi 2: 1 Please Mr Jones

    Mr Jones: Now This command is for you O PRIEST !!

    Judge: Did God stop talking to the Priest in chp. 3 Mr Jones?

    Mr Jones: No your Honor!

    Judge: Answer me this Mr. Jones, were you aware that God never required anyone to tithe money?

    Mr. Jones: No I didn’t know that.

    Judge: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money.

    Mr. Jones: well your Honor that is because they didn’t have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead.

    Judge: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. The food was the tithe. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses?

    Mr. Jones: I don’t know

    Judge: I also want you to know that these verses speak to nation under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know Jesus fulfilled the law, it is no longer binding.
    Once again you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money?

    Mr. Jones: I do not know of any.

    Judge: So if God never changed it from food to money who did?

    Mr. Jones: Man must have.

    Judge: So far all you have done Mr. Jones, is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have?

    Mr. Jones: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that Jesus told us to tithe.

    Judge: Ok let me hear it.

    Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing.

    Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to?

    Mr. Jones: The scripture says the Scribes and Pharisees.

    Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee?

    Mr. Jones: Of course not.

    Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones?

    Mr. Jones: No.

    Judge: Why not?

    Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it.

    Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law?

    Mr. Jones: When He was crucified.

    Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death?

    Mr. Jones: That is correct.

    Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don’t you?

    Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also.

    Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing?

    Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin.

    Judge: Is money mentioned?

    Mr. Jones: No it was not.

    Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say?

    Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, staff salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people.

    Judge:By “church” you mean your organization isn’t it Mr Jones ?
    -The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Does It Mr Jones?
    In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones.
    -The tithe was never money;
    -The tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings.
    – We are under a new covenant now.
    Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart.
    If they determine to Give 10% well and good, If they keep aside some every week to meet this more better.If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason even blessing, you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If ‘your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all.
    Mr Jones, Do you intentionally put your people under a Curse or a Bondage?

    Mr Jones: Of Course Not !!

    Judge: Can you Read in context Gal 3:10-11 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them ….
    AND
    Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage….

    Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it.
    Yes ‘ am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore.

    Sentencing..[truncated by WhatsApp]

  2. Ray Ajao says:

    Chapter 3 

    Jews Do Not Tithe Today

    Thankfully, Jewish theologians know better than their Christian counterparts. They are well aware that only Levites have the right to receive tithe of the people. After all, the Jewish leaders have the Old Testament as their Scripture and that’s what it commands. And since there is no Temple in existence (and consequently no ordained Levites or Priests serving in a Temple), then a major factor in fulfilling the laws of tithing does not exist in our modern world.

    In regard to this, it may be profitable to relate an event that happened to me over thirty–five years ago when I was just starting to study theology in college. A letter had been given to me for answering. It was from a woman who heard that modern Jews were not tithing. She wanted to know whether the information was true, and if so, why the Jews seemingly violated the plain laws of the Bible which spoke of tithing as a law to be obeyed?

    Having read the letter, I began to share her concern. To resolve the matter I telephoned three rabbis in the Los Angeles area for their explanation. Much to my dismay, all three independently of each other informed me that no religious Jew should tithe today. I was startled at their replies. This appeared to be evidence that the Jews were so lax with their biblical interpretation that they were abandoning even the simple words of their own Scripture about the laws of tithing.

    By the time I spoke with the last rabbi, my youthful indignation was beginning to emerge. But that rabbi then wisely began to show me my ignorance (not his) in the whole matter. First, he admitted that none of his congregation paid one penny of tithe that was demanded in the Old Testament. He then said: “If any member of my synagogue paid tithe in the scriptural manner, he would be disobeying the law of God—he would be sinning against God.”

    I was staggered by his answer. He went on to inform me that since the Bible demands that the tithe be paid to Levites, he said it would be wrong to pay it to anyone else. And further, because there is presently no official Levitical order of Priests ministering at a Temple in Jerusalem, this makes it illegal at this period to pay any biblical tithe. He went on to say, however, that the moment a Temple is rebuilt, with its altar in operation and with the priesthood officiating at that altar (and the Levites there to assist them), then every Jew who lives in the tithing zones mentioned in the Bible will be required to tithe according to the biblical commands.

    This teaching was a revelation to me (as it may be to some of our readers), but the rabbi gave the proper biblical answers. To pay the biblical tithe at this time, without Levites and Priests in their regular ordained offices and doing service in the Temple, would be “sin” both to the giver and the receiver. The rabbi told me: “If we are to obey the law, we cannot pay tithe unless we pay it to the ones ordained by God to accept that tithe.”

    The rabbi explained that though he was the chief rabbi of his synagogue, he was not a Levite. He said he was descended from the tribe of Judah and was thereby not eligible to receive tithe. The same disqualification applied even to Christ Jesus while he was on earth since he was also reckoned as having come from the tribe of Judah. This same restriction was applicable to the activities of the apostle Peter (because he was as well from Judah) and it applied to the apostle Paul (because he was from the tribe of Benjamin). Neither Christ nor those apostles were Levites so they were all disqualified from receiving any part of the biblical tithe. It is just that simple.

    And listen, if Christ, Peter and Paul did not use the biblical tithe for any of their work in teaching the Gospel, Christian ministers today should not use the biblical tithe either. The Jewish religious authorities are wise enough to read what the Word of God states about the tithe and, thankfully, they abide by it. But our Gentile preachers and priests care very little what the biblical texts actually state and go merrily on their way by devising their own laws of tithing which are different from those of the Bible.

    The rabbi then gave me some information on the method that many Jews use today to secure adequate funds with which to operate their religious organizations. He went on to say that the activities of his synagogue were financially supported through the adoption of the “patron system” by its members. That is, families would buy seats in the synagogue for various prices each year. The rabbi mentioned that many of his congregation actually paid more than a tenth of their income to get better seats in the synagogue. This method for raising funds is perfectly proper (from the biblical point of view) if Jews wish to use it. This is because the money is paid to the synagogue and not to an ordained Levitical priesthood.

    The final rabbi was correctly interpreting the teaching of the Holy Scripture. While many Christian ministers today teach that Christians may be in danger of missing salvation itself if they do not pay tithe to the church, Jewish rabbis know better than to say such a thing. They realize that it is biblically improper (actually, it is a blatant disobedience to the laws of the Bible) for anyone to pay or to receive the biblical tithe today. And any minister or ecclesiastical leader who uses the biblical tithe (or any one who pays to a minister the biblical tithe) is a sinner in the eyes of God

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